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View Full Version : What is man's speed limit? (The Indianapolis Star newspaper, June 22, 2006)


Alex Ray
01-21-2007, 06:20 PM
Source: www.indystar.com (http://www.indystar.com/)
Published: June 22, 2006
By David Woods

A half-century ago, it was beginning to seem as if no one would ever run faster than Jesse Owens. After all, no one had for 20 years.

Then someone did.

Gary native Willie Williams ran 100 meters in 10.1 seconds on Aug. 3, 1956, breaking Owens' 1936 mark by a tenth of a second.

Since then, the record -- which comes with the title World's Fastest Human -- has been lowered 10 more times. It's now 9.77, co-owned by Justin Gatlin, who will try to lower it again today and Friday in the AT&T USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships at IUPUI's Carroll Stadium.

"I don't think it's going to go too much further," Williams, now 74, said last week.

Maybe not . . . except that it keeps falling. Someone always comes along.

Which raises perhaps the most fundamental question in sports: How fast can man go?

Jesus Dapena, an Indiana University biomechanics professor, said there must be a limit. A man will never run 100 meters in three seconds, for instance. But he said the limit can't be defined.

"There are a variety of people. We're looking here for the extreme," Dapena said. "Who's got the best muscles? There's a genetic factor in there. There's a training factor in there."

Indeed, things keep changing. Improving.

More people compete from more countries, as evidenced by the record 202 nations at the 2004 Athens Olympics. Forty countries won medals in track and field, underscoring the sport's universality. Facilities and equipment are far more advanced than when Owens ran on cinder tracks. Today's athletes employ kinesiologists, nutritionists, massage therapists. Biomechanics experts evaluate everything from a sprinter's stride length to the number of steps per 100 meters (Gatlin said he takes 42).

The issue of how low the record can go can also be seen as a math question. Even for the best minds, it's not easily solved.

Mathematical quandary

Mathematicians asked about the 100-meter record trot out the word "asymptote."

In calculus, that's the line that can forever approach a curve of changing slope but never crosses it. It defines the limit. An asymptote emerges when the line and the curve get ever closer, but by lesser amounts. Or, in this case, as the 100-meter record continues to be broken, but by lesser amounts.

After studying the record's progression, Bob Glassey, an IU mathematics professor, said, "I'm looking for an asymptote here, and I don't see one." He said the times are decreasing, but not at a uniform rate.

Allen Weitsman, associate head of mathematics at Purdue University, said such a limit could be calculated only if all the parameters stay the same. And they don't. World records in the high jump, for instance, increased significantly when the technique changed from the head-first roll to the back-first flop.

If someone were to discover a way to more efficiently use physiology in sprinting, Weitsman said, the model for 100-meter data would be destroyed. Any limit would have to be recalculated.

"Human beings, after all, we've been around for a teeny, teeny bit of time," Weitsman said. "We're really still in a stage where the physiology of some individual can be quite dramatically different from anyone who has come so far.

"Now, it's unlikely. But it's also a possibility."

Another factor, increasingly inescapable, is performance-enhancing drugs.

There is evidence of doping in sports as long ago as the 1960s, but drugs became the story at the 1988 Olympics, where Canada's Ben Johnson shattered the world record in the 100, only to have it discounted after he was proved to be on steroids. Since then, several track stars have been implicated, including Tim Montgomery, whose 2002 world record in the 100 was stripped last year.

But in an era when all athletic performance is suspect, the current 100 meter record appears to be as authentic as any. Gatlin and his co-world record holder, Jamaica's Asafa Powell, have not been caught up in drug scandals, even by rumor. Indeed, their shared mark is faster than the best drug-aided times of Johnson and Montgomery.

Dapena said that in the 1980s, with doping "totally gone wild," some records reached beyond the scope of reality. Now, however, times are following a normal trend, he said.

Faster and faster

Moreover, what may now seem implausible can later become realistic.

Gatlin said he laughed when British sprinter Dwain Chambers recently suggested he could lower the 100-meter record to 9.65. Now it's no joke.

Gatlin said he ran a less-than-perfect race when he clocked 9.77 last month at Doha, Qatar. He has run three successive races in less than 9.90, something no one had ever done.

"But after running consistently fast, and knowing that I have more left in the tank, I think a 9.6 is possible. I'm thinking a 9.69," Gatlin said.

How about faster? A 9.59?

Williams, for one, said he couldn't see that coming soon.

Williams went on to coach Gary West High School to five state championships and later coached at the University of Illinois. Back when he ran, events were hand-timed, with the lowest gradations being tenths of a second. Now that track is timed electronically, and times are carried to hundredths, records fall more often.

"I don't think I would have the (same) satisfaction of saying I broke the world record of some modern guy," Williams said. "The record has been held for a year, as opposed to a record that had stood for 20 years."

Former track star Carl Lewis, now 45 and pursuing a career in acting, said he didn't expect his 100 record to stand indefinitely. He lowered it to 9.86 in 1991, where it stayed for almost three years.

The record might not drop into the 9.60s soon, Lewis said, but it inevitably will.

"I think that as long as people run times, people are going to break records," Lewis said. "I just really believe that."

ten4
02-28-2007, 02:49 AM
please check out the article on http://www.kingclub.page.tl/in-a-nutshell.htm tell me what your opinion is, do you think a south african will ever break the 10 sec barrier:eek:

ScottHughes
08-03-2007, 03:49 AM
If people continue to break records, it makes you think that maybe there is no limit. I mean, it seems absurd to say, but if we keep getting smaller times, eventually we would reach 3 seconds. It's weird.

Gizmo
08-08-2007, 09:25 PM
As with everything there is a limit. Remember in the old days we used manual time capturing, making only a tenth of a second count, now that we have changed to electronic time capturing we are increasing the measurements and thereby also allowing smaller differences to become new records.

I think over time we will see closer to 9.65, but it will take some time and I do not expect it to be in the next year. It takes focus, it takes new techniques of training and time.

ccsraj
08-24-2007, 01:49 AM
If people continue to break records, it makes you think that maybe there is no limit. I mean, it seems absurd to say, but if we keep getting smaller times, eventually we would reach 3 seconds. It's weird.

Reaching 100 mts by 3 secs is im possible.But there would be a continuous change in the reduction of timing.

HereWeGooo
08-24-2007, 08:04 AM
You know we move technology and we move bounderies. I think in the future we will have additional digits added to the measurement of time, sa a thousend of a second, due to technology.

We might get rules determining what part of the body will be measured on, maybe there will be new starting blocks? That will enhance the start speed? New shoes? new clothes?

everything changes, constantly but I also think there is a limit that one will always strive toward but never reach, and I doubt that we will ever get a human running with todays technology reaching 3 seconds.

John fr Sweden
08-25-2007, 02:51 PM
Well, as far as I Know Gatlin is suspended for taking steorids, and therefore not world record.
Anyway.. Of course there is a certain speed Limit. We are not leopards. I thing the limit is rather close. I don?t think anyone will break 9,6.

HongKong_Gaar
08-30-2007, 07:17 PM
I also think we are reaching a limit as normal human running.

Have you seen the South African with the amputated legs? He has special skins built for him and is able to race. I saw a report on him and he has been running with normal runners and won.

The question might be if we are going to see new technology that is going to help the athletes get that extra tenth of a second and get better, maybe kind of these skins is the thing?

CaptainAmerica
08-30-2007, 11:57 PM
Might be, but I dont see this coming in the next couple of years. I guess we will still be using our human feet.....

But I also doubt we will go below 9.6, it just is fast if they make that time, with out any substances.

tjdee
05-28-2008, 11:32 PM
what about the drugs, why are we thinking people running 9.74s are actually legitimate? many top coaches think that the human potential was reached at 9.9s and its the fact these guys can run low times so consistently, the world record has been broken or equalled in the 100m over the past 3 years. THE WORLDS FASTEST RECORDED TIME BROKEN OR EQUALLED BY GATLIN, GAY and POWELL, its the consistency thats makes me suspicious, theses are world records, and then the athletes dont even get excited, watch asafa setting the world record in reite, raises his hands aloft once. I would be going crazy if that was me. This is their job, what they work so hard for, and yet they dont celebrate, gay is the same, blisstering 100m then calmly walks off. Gatlin gets done for drugs, so why would anyone else who runs that time not be on drugs? and then along comes usian 9.76s. Are you serious?

rpflash100
08-17-2008, 10:01 PM
Source: www.indystar.com (http://www.indystar.com/)
Published: June 22, 2006
By David Woods
"But after running consistently fast, and knowing that I have more left in the tank, I think a 9.6 is possible. I'm thinking a 9.69," Gatlin said.

How about faster? A 9.59?

Williams, for one, said he couldn't see that coming soon.

Williams went on to coach Gary West High School to five state championships and later coached at the University of Illinois. Back when he ran, events were hand-timed, with the lowest gradations being tenths of a second. Now that track is timed electronically, and times are carried to hundredths, records fall more often.

"I don't think I would have the (same) satisfaction of saying I broke the world record of some modern guy," Williams said. "The record has been held for a year, as opposed to a record that had stood for 20 years."

Former track star Carl Lewis, now 45 and pursuing a career in acting, said he didn't expect his 100 record to stand indefinitely. He lowered it to 9.86 in 1991, where it stayed for almost three years.

The record might not drop into the 9.60s soon, Lewis said, but it inevitably will.

"I think that as long as people run times, people are going to break records," Lewis said. "I just really believe that."

Well 9.69. I typically don't jump on bandwagons and I typically always cheer for the USA, but damn! I don't know, but I don't think he was on drugs, they test them like 1000 times a day. Seriously, You can look technically and see that running has become a lot better. Who knows, with new shoes and suits, one of the youngsters on these boards may break that 9.65 slot!

100mrunner
08-18-2008, 03:29 AM
what about EVOLUTION, each generation gets bigger, faster, stronger.

The Carl Lewis Era, the top sprinters were running low 9.9 -10.oo like Andre Cason, Dennis Mitchell, Bruney Sarin, Linford Christie,David Ezinwa, from 1984 - 1996, with a few who broke 9.9 like Carl Lewis, Donovan Bailey, Leroy Burrell.

The Maurice Greene Era 1997 - 2004, the top sprinters were running low to high 9s like Kim Collins, Jon Capel, Obadele Thompson, Brian Lewis, with the few who broke 9.9 without drugs Maurice Greene, Ato Bolden, Frankie Fredericks, Shawn Crawford, Donovan Bailey, Francis Obkwelu.

Now we have the Usain Bolt Era, were low 9.9 is not fast enough. There were numerous athletes who ran in the 9.8 range, Doc Patten, Ricardo Thompson, The Clemson runner forgot his name, then you have Jeff Dems who ran a 10.01 out of high school. Ryan Purnell in TX who ran a 9.99 hand and 10.21 to win us nations as a sophmore 2 yrs ago.

Usain Bolt is 21 yrs old, the torch has been pasted to the new generation of athletes after the 2004 Olympics.

Aside from Asafa Powell, nobody from the 2004 100m final is relevent today.

Just look at the history of the event and you'll see how the times have improved over each generation of new runners.

rpflash100
08-18-2008, 03:53 AM
I disagree. I still think Gay is relevant. Sure he didn't have a great couple months, but he wasn't in "medal contention" for nothing. May not be relevant in 4 years, but he's got 1 or 2 left in him, IMO.

100mrunner
08-18-2008, 04:08 AM
ESPN reports:
At the 1996 Olympics Donovan Bailey's top speed was 27.1 mph running 9.84.

Bolt's top speed was 29.2 mph.

Once Bolt got out of his drive phase and lifted his head he pulled away from everybody.

Maurice Greene's world record 46 steps. (9.79) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkxIZWG0AFU

Ricard Thompson (tri) 2nd place 9.89, 43 steps
Walter Dix 3rd place 9.91, 47 steps

Until now, no man has ever been able to cover the 100 meters in less then 43 steps.

Now take Bolt, who can cover the distance in 39/40 steps, combine that with the ability to pickup/put down his feet as he can you get world's fastest man.

And yes he could have ran a 9.59 had he been pushed and ran all the way thru the tape. As any true sprinter should understand if you were in the biggest meet, on the grandest stage, you too would celebrate 15 meters before the finish line. Thats the joy, thrill, and excitement of the 100 meter dash.

100mrunner
08-18-2008, 04:09 AM
I disagree. I still think Gay is relevant. Sure he didn't have a great couple months, but he wasn't in "medal contention" for nothing. May not be relevant in 4 years, but he's got 1 or 2 left in him, IMO.

Gay was not in the 2004 100m olympic finals.

rpflash100
08-18-2008, 05:37 AM
Ahh, I stand corrected.

nwcmr400
08-18-2008, 06:40 PM
Michael Johnson 200m WR is 19.32

19.32/2=9.66

Still faster than Bolt.

rpflash100
08-18-2008, 10:35 PM
The math isn't that simple. What if his first 100 was 9.7? It's a different race you can't really divide it that way. That's why he raced 150 against Donovan Bailey. If he was capable of 9.66, he would have just ran that.

crucianpilot
08-26-2008, 01:31 PM
Miguel Johnson's splits were 10.12/9.20 for his world record run.

Usain Bolt's splits for his world record run were 10.10/9.20.

Stick305
02-16-2009, 12:07 AM
I still think that Usain Bolt can run even faster if he puts his mind to it and if he can increase even an inch on each stride, his 9.69 will lower to a 9.59 or so. He is 6'5 and all, and he can cover the 100m in 39 or 40 steps, so he has the shot at being the fastest human being ever. Several years from now, if Asafa hasn't beaten his record, there will come another tall runner with the technique and even more technological advances than Usain, and beat his time. Shorter sprinters, however have little hope unless their foot turnover is optimal speed.